My FB friend Kenneth on FB messenger gave me the audio of the SCOTUS oral arguments of the case before the court called “Obergefell v. Hodges.
It was riveting and interesting.
Here is the docket in a nutshell.
14-556 OBERGEFELL V. HODGES
DECISION BELOW: 772 F.3d 388
LOWER COURT CASE NUMBER: 14-3057, 14-3464 QUESTION PRESENTED:
1. Whether Ohio’s constitutional and statutory bans on recognition of marriages of same-sex couples validly entered in other jurisdictions violate the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
2. Whether Ohio’s refusal to recognize a judgment of adoption of an Ohio-born child issued to a same-sex couple by the courts of a sister state violates the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
CONSOLIDATED WITH 14-562, 14-571 AND 14-574 AND LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS: 1) DOES THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT REQUIRE A STATE TO LICENSE A MARRIAGE BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE OF THE SAME SEX? 2) DOES THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT REQUIRE A STATE TO RECOGNIZE A MARRIAGE BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE OF THE SAME SEX WHEN THEIR MARRIAGE WAS LAWFULLY LICENSED AND PERFORMED OUT-OF- STATE? A TOTAL OF NINETY MINUTES IS ALLOTTED FOR ORAL ARGUMENT ON QUESTION 1. A TOTAL OF ONE HOUR IS ALLOTTED FOR ORAL ARGUMENT ON QUESTION 2. THE PARTIES ARE LIMITED TO FILING BRIEFS ON THE MERITS AND PRESENTING ORAL ARGUMENT ON THE QUESTIONS PRESENTED IN THEIR RESPECTIVE PETITIONS.
CERT. GRANTED 1/16/2015
While we will never be able to read into the minds of the justices, it is important to know what was argued and to what length, the justices may be leaning.
Again, it is foolish to read into what they are thinking because only the Lord knows what is in their minds.
I will say that the information gleaned from this is important because while you are hearing and reading what was said, you can see that they are well versed in the lower court’s precedent rulings that offer a glimpse into this subject. As you will see, they refuse to use the Bible as the basis of any argument. However, you will see that they are somewhat careful not to interfere with a minister’s right to refuse to perform the ceremony of matrimony to same sex couples.
One justice finally admitted that ministers declare homosexuality is a sin.
I was shocked.
It is clear that they also are careful about establishing a ruling for SSM that is constitutional and takes away any chance of a debate. To ask for the courts to rule as unelected officials and take away the States right, and the people’s right to deliberate is also a very interesting point brought up by the justices.
Also, it is clear that both attorney’s before the court were using children in the backdrop to bolster their arguments.
Sympathy towards a child’s plight that are adopted is another way to make the argument more palatable and sympathetic towards the position of practicing homosexuals having families.
God, in His sovereign wisdom, put the book of Proverbs in such a way that a male adolescent is to listen, obey, and honor father and mother, not father and father, or mother and mother.
But we all know that it is about bringing legitimacy to the sin of homosexuality.
Marriage is not about bringing stability to homosexual relationships. It’s always been about establishing homosexuality as a legitimate and normal act. We all know that homosexuality is not normal. Just as adultery, fornication, porn, bisexuality, bestiality, and masturbation is not normal sex within the bonds of matrimony.
There is a vast difference between heterosexual sex and homosexual sex. The sex act, in and of itself is relatively the same, but to whom they are involved is definitely different.
Some will say that this is argumentative.
It’s not an argument because the Creator designed us to mate with the opposite sex within matrimony.
Arguing against the Scriptures is the one way where human reasoning falsely believes it can do.
According to one justice, marriage between one man and one woman was around since “millennial” and that SSM has only been around since 2001. No other society before 2000 has a track record of how SSM plays out over time. For the justices that are unelected officials, to rule and impose SSM on the entire country, is a valid point.
There are three things that MUST happen here in order for SSM proponents to be successful.
1. Don’t believe in the Creator.
2. Change the Creator, prohibit His believers, and alter, annul, and make void His Word.
3. Re-write what marriage is and include SSM.
On points 1 and 2, proponents of the sin of homosexuality almost were successful. Except that every now and then, believers in the Lord would crop up to make their voices heard.
Another point is that I know that there are radical believers in the Lord, however, I believe that we can dialogue without compromise. We know that some practicing homosexuals will not budge from their position. However, they must know that we cannot budge from the Biblical position of marriage between one man and one woman.
Then, how could there be any dialogue if both sides refuse to give in?
The intent of any dialogue is to put forth an effort to understand each other. Homosexuals must know that we do love them because the Bible commands us to. God loves us but He knows how to love you and hate you at the same time.
What God declares a sin is the issue.
To associate with that sin or any sin makes you one with what He hates. At the same time, the Lord loves us enough to tell us what He hates and how to be free of the sin that He hates. God never created us to sin. He created us to love Him. True believers in Jesus prove that we love Him when we keep His commandments.
The command to abstain from fleshly lusts that war against the soul.
Jesus didn’t die for our sins so we could continue in sin. Jesus died to free us from sin so we don’t have to be under sin’s power.
To walk in a house with muddy shoes is insulting. To walk in His presence with sin is insulting to Him.
However, John 3:16 is there for a reason. God loved us enough to send His Son to die for our sins so that we could be free.
There is no freedom in sin, even when you are free to do anything you want. Even with doing anything you want, there still must be accountability (see Romans 14:11-12).
So while we are adamant about not compromising God’s Word, we are aware that, based on the arguments from practicing homosexuals, they have a right to SSM.
What we believe and what you believe will always be like bucking heads because both sides refuse to give in.
However it is important to note that as a result of such head bucking, we do not have to resort to being bitter about each other because of opposing positions.
It’s about convincing both sides of what is right and what is wrong.
Without question, sin is wrong.
To homosexuals, homosexuality is not wrong because to them, it is not a sin.
Even in the face of STDs, which is the “penalty of their error which was due,” they are fully convinced that their acts are still right, as vile and unnatural as it is.
What matters most to practicing homosexuals is a decision from the highest human court in the land to vindicate their argument to legitimize homosexuality as a normal activity worthy of the highest institution afforded between one man and one woman.
We all know that homosexuals, at least the elite proponents that is pushing their agenda, is doing an end around the Holy Scriptures that absolutely prohibit homosexuality.
According to Scripture, sin is never on equal footing with righteousness. So if homosexuals declare themselves free from the authority of the Scriptures, they seek authority elsewhere to hijack an institution created by God.
The Supreme Court.
With that said, believers must walk in Psalm 1.
We don’t have to engage in conflict where the hatred intensifies to where we remain hostile to each other. However, we know that hostilities is an expression of heated passion that is unreasonable. When homosexuals call for tolerance, they are intolerant of our refusal to accept homosexuality as normal.
What we can learn from this is that God is God of love, and justice.
God is holy and righteous.
God will not let sin reign.
God will save you and deliver you when you are ready to be free.
Getting back to the SCOTUS, you can click the link here to read this excellent summation on the oral arguments.